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Lots of good info, but very censored. Unfortunately has repeatedly censored my posts regarding GREED by permaculture gurus such as Geoff Lawton and as this censorship documents, it's all about the money.
August 30, 2016
3:12 pm
Near Meadview, between Lake Mead and Grand Canyon West (Skywalk)
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When Geoff Lawton started advertising his $1,000 online permaculture certificate program I wasn't the only one who was upset.  After all, if you CARE about the planet, you would want to ensure that MANY people have the info to become successful permaculturists.

I didn't expect the course for free and would have gladly paid $100 or so for the info WITHOUT the certificate.

Geoff's fear mongering about the impending collapse and the promises of WEALTH after you get your PDC were even more offensive.  What an eye opener.

And because Paul Wheaton, the owner of gets a commission for everybody who signs up for the $1,000 course from ALL critique of Geoff's marketing and pricing was prohibited.

Just recently I thought I'd give another try, hoping for changes.  I should be so lucky, this post was also censored because it violates their posting guidelines.  It's such a time waster to have to go through this and I'm just going to seriously limit my posts there -- again.

The censored post:

I love what you're doing, Charlotte!  

People who are looking to COPY what someone else does to be ASSURED success really shouldn't be farming.  With so many variables you have to be willing to do extensive research and then TRY and ERR.   That's all there is to it -- unless you want to be a corporate / conventional farmer.

If you can't even understand the basics such as why no till, soil structure, microbes and mycorrhizae are critical in arid environments you're on the road to failure.

I sure wish I had the time and money to do more soil testing.  I was very disappointed in International Ag Labs tests and recommendations:

There was nothing I could do to get them to give us organic recommendations, nowhere did they state that "high brix" recommendations = chemicals and in my experience it's ALL about Luke selling very expensive PROPRIETARY fertilizer mixes that have to be shipped across the country. 

I don't mind paying for stuff I can't get locally, but I'm not going for this proprietary BS.   How can I find out what works if we don't know what we're putting in our soil?

Just in the last year I've spent a lot of money (at least $500) on nitrogen fixing microbes, EM-1, humic acid, soft rock phosphate, minerals, whatever supplements and beneficial nematodes, but I sure wish I had some recommendations to follow.

And I really wish I could find others to join in ordering in bulk.   I bothers me tremendously to pay $18 for 50 lbs of soft rock phosphate and then $27 for shipping it.   I could get shipping down to less than $10/bag if I ordered it by the pallet. Could use maybe 5 bags myself, but what to do with the rest?

Same with perlite for potted plants (I propagate), could get it CHEAP in Casa Grande, but would have to get a huge amount.

Where did you get your soil tests, Charlotte?  

Is there something like an organic growers' co-op for more affordable inputs in Phoenix?   I was so excited when I saw soft rock phosphate at Arbico in Tucson, was going to get a pickup load, then found out they drop ship from Arkansas.

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